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Yell.com / Hibu “Web Design” Scam

  • by Andy Kinsey
  • in The Lost Posts
  • — 19 Aug, 2012

Thanks to a few comments on a now ageing ramble about Yell Web Design Being a Waste of Space, I decided to go off and do some of my own research into the over 1 million results on Google when searching for Yell.com Scam.

I searched Google for “web design by yell” – this being the footer tag each site contains which is designed by yell.com, note if you are doing the search you must include the quotation marks. I took the first 100 likely suspects and questioned which template they used. The results are interesting, if not predictable.

Yell.com / Hibu Web Design Scam unhomed

There are 4 types of template in use. Most of websites (65%) in this survey using it, is a 2 column design with a simple nav on the left and logo in the header. The second at 24% is a logo in the mast, a simple horizontal navigation and content in one or two columns below. The final 4% come with a third template which has a logo on the left, nav on the right, below the logo is an address and below the nav an image. The remaining 7% come under “other” these match aspects of each other and from the previous templates but not completely the same.

The templates vary with images and text, there is little variation on colour and slightly in layout – but they are the same.

Worth the Cost?

This depends what cost you are talking about, the cost for yell to design your website or the cost to your business through potential lost custom. Either way, the answer is no.

The basic package called “yellsites” is from just over £1 a day. That puts the minimum package around £400 – plus any adwords / sponsored listings you are sold too. But lets focus on just the website costs.

So at £400 or more you would expect something quite unique and built around your needs, yes? Well no, as we’ve seen above that isn’t the case, its all samey same and you have to supply everything – and chase them a lot to make changes.

Last week I saw a huge number of emails between Yell and a (then) customer. It was horrific, the story of a sole trader with a turnover of less than £20,000 sold a website for £800 with a £3000 package of adwords. The customer was just trying to get a few tweaks to a website, a change in background colour and an additional paragraph of text. Yell dragged their feet and only after a month of almost begging were the changes made. Following this the customer tried to break out of the contract citing many reasons, it was only the threat of lawyers that meant they eventually cancelled the contract – apparently yell still control the domain.

Going to yell for web design is clearly not a good idea, and is verging on the word SCAM.

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I would like to thank everyone who has contacted me since my original post on this matter. I do try to reply to everyone, though it can take a week or so sometimes. Please do keep talking to me and leaving comments, the more I hear the more we build a case online that people should not trust these “mis-selling goons” who will squeeze as much money as possible from ANY possible business.

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Update: Yell is changing it’s name to Hibu, the CEO says its pronounced “high boo” and that its meant to be the next words like “google and yahoo” which mean nothing at the start but will in years to come. We at SEOAndy ask whether Hibu will come to mean scammers or not, we predict it’s likely.

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Andy is the founder and primary blogger of SEOAndy - an Internet Marketing Resource for Small Business Owners. You can learn more about Andy here. Andy is currently the Digital Marketing Manager at RedStar Creative.

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  • David (DPS Computing) says:
    20 August, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    Another thing to note is that its more like ‘rent a site’ from Yell.

    Most companies will charge you up front for web design – and then you are free to do what you want with it, host it where you like etc. Although up front costs can seem a bit daunting (especially for new businesses) they are far cheaper in the long run.

    For example, yellsites @ £400 for 5 years is £2,000 (including hosting and web design).

    Professional web designer / web design company – fairly good site @ £500 (one off payment) for 5 years is still £500. Hosting doesn’t have to cost a fortune. For example our packages start at £2.30/month. £2.30/month for 5 years is £138. Total cost for 5 years web design + hosting = £638.

    So, using the case study above, generic yell website for 5 years = £2,000. Professional bespoke web designer website for 5 years = £638.

    It’s a no brainer really.

    Plus as well, you’re locked in to Yell. If you want to move, well you’ll have to lose (at the minimum) your website design and hosting – i.e. you’ll have to pay for them both with someone else. Not sure whether you get to keep the domain – but there’s always the possibility you could lose that as well.

    Upfront investment in your website saves you much time, money and stress. And gives you a much better value product.

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    • Andy Kinsey says:
      20 August, 2012 at 3:59 PM

      Interesting observation and true. Take into account though for website I believe you pay upfront with yell anyway (could be wrong) so it’s not that much more.

      In terms of the domain I’ve handled a few of them, you can get it back through a route which can be quite laborious and it takes a while (about 2 weeks min). If they refuse to hand it back then you can also go official routes such as nominet and icann, though these can be just a teadious and you need to ask is the domain worth that hassle. Also if you’ve not paid up to date these places can rule in favour of yell (only seen one case of that and he owed about £500).

      Bottom line is, pay upfront and its cheaper in the long run, and you will likely get more control and more access.

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      • David (DPS Computing) says:
        20 August, 2012 at 4:26 PM

        Ah right, I see. I thought that the ‘web design’ was on the same kind of PAYG basis as the web hosting – hence all rolled into one. You’re probably right.

        When I talked to them they seemed to imply this but maybe they do just make a one off charge for the ‘web design’.

        Either way, as you say – a professional bespoke website would still be cheaper (just maybe not as much cheaper as initially thought!!) and you end up with a far superior product.

        I was however told by Yell that they do not allow the websites they have designed to be hosted elsewhere. Hence, if you wanted to change your web host, you would still lose your website unless you decided to stay with them – locking you in with them.

        Yeah, I’ve seen a few unscrupulous web hosts / domain registrars hold domains to ransom (effectively) – not saying that Yell do this of course, but its one reason why you should always ensure you have control over your domain.

        As you’ve said, you’re likely to get your domain back, but do you want all the time, effort, stress and distraction in trying to get them to part with it ;) .

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        • Andy Kinsey says:
          20 August, 2012 at 7:55 PM

          They may well have in the contract that its PAYG if you sign up for the year and the break clauses are cut out… so they are guaranteed income etc. I think as well to get the domain back you have to pay until the break clause / end of term or something.

          If anyone has a contract do send it to me :)

          In terms of the the site itself no they wont let you move it to another server. I know many designers/ devs who play by those rules too – to me if you are paid up then i’ve no issue giving you what you’ve paid for. Indeed if even offer a disc with the code on it for someone to take away as back up – no one has though, because they trust me :)

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  • Rob Allport says:
    23 November, 2012 at 9:34 PM

    I wrote a simialr post on my blog about this at http://www.web-design-talk.co.uk/478/yell-web-design-review/

    The common theme in the comments was that Yellsites are cheap and people get what they pay for. As illustrated on this page, Yellsites most definately aren;t cheaper when you plan ahead.

    You’ve also touched on the hosting side of things too. When I was looking, they seem to host all their sites in America, probably because it costs pennies to them.

    I have 2 domains hosted with yell.com to transfer away – some of the stuff I;ve read up on this is simply scary. Wish me luck!

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    • admin says:
      24 November, 2012 at 10:59 AM

      Rob I read your post a while ago and it’s all true. All I can say is best of luck, please do keep us informed of how it goes.

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  • Barb says:
    13 December, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    This company Yell (Now known as HIBU) are scam artists. stay away and save yourself a headache.

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